Q36: The gopis or Hanuman?
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“What for you is the ideal devotional attitude? The gopis with Krishna or Hanuman serving Rama?”
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Posted on January 12th, 2008 by priyan
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January 12th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
Both….
its according to the master, With krishna, gopis were perfect and with Rama, Hanuman. Hanuman may not be able to love Krishna as he loved Rama and gopis may not be able to have the same devotion to Rama as they loved krishna..
Hanuman and gopis were perfect devotees.. so they must be knowing both Rama and Krishna are same…
dhansi Says:January 12th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
to me there is no difference at all. devotion is expressed differently by different ppl and i feel it is a personal experience between the devotee and his/her Lord. just like how Kali, Durga and Lakshmi are different forms of our beloved Mother.
ChetanG Says:January 12th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
Om Amma. There is no difference when one is the perfect disciple to the Guru. Both Hamuman to Rama/Sita and the Gopis to Bhagavan Krishna where the same tireless, fully, devoted disciples.
priya Says:May we all serve Our Blessed Amma as such.
January 12th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
For me, the ideal devotional attitude would be the love of the gopis for Krishna. it is the manifestation of our Madhurya Bhava in which the devotee sees his beloved God as his lover. the Gopis could quarrel, tease, love Krishna without any inhibitions. more than respect and awe the devotee feels closest to God in love.
Kalidas Says:January 12th, 2008 at 1:20 pm
In BHAKTHI [ Devotion ], only HEART is there, HEAD / BRAIN is completely ABSENT. Hanumanji is the GREATEST Bhaktha in his own way and Gopis are also GREATEST Bhakthas in their own way. In Highest Spiritual State that AMMA is leading us in to, do u think Hanumanji & Gopis are different or do u think Rama in Treta Yuga, Krishna in Dwapara yuga or Adi Shankara/ Madhva/Ramanuja/Chaithanya/Ramakrishna/Shirdi Sai/Sathya Sai/MATA AMRITANANDAMAYI in kali yuga are different, NO THEY are one & single , but how to know that u will realise it with their GRACE.
aumsree Says:“Ekam SAT , Vipra Bahuda Vadanti”
January 12th, 2008 at 5:40 pm
In Prema, one seeks the ideal of Gopis…
arya Says:In Seva, one seeks the ideal of Hanuman…
Both are the ultimate in their supreme love and service …
January 12th, 2008 at 6:44 pm
to me, Hanuman stands at the peak pedestal in devotion to his Lord…..
pranada Says:gopis were always selfish in their love to krishna…..Ammachi herself tells us the story of gopis who left all their chores and ran to vrindavan to dance with krishna, ignoring the real krshna, in disguise, with a thorn on his feet,asking for help to remove it….none of them had the patience to help a person in need….in true devotion one sees everything around him as his Love,his Master….hanuman is the embodiment of service and devotion to lord Rama…..thts why he still lives on as Chiranjeevi even today……
January 12th, 2008 at 10:27 pm
It seems to me that a more apt comparison might be between Radha and Hanuman. To hold up all of the gopis, not only Radha, to the supreme devotion of Hanuman, may, as Arya suggested above, reflect unfavorably on the gopis in some situations, which I do not think is fair. But in Radha we see the same degree of selfless devotion to see and serve everything as her Beloved.
marcie Says:At any rate, what may be the ideal devotional attitude for me in this moment could be less than ideal for someone else, or even for me in another moment. Instead I am grateful that we have been given so many beautiful examples of different ways to be fully devoted to God.
January 13th, 2008 at 12:43 am
Like the evening star (gopis- the first to rise) and the morning star (Hanuman- the last to rest), they are like celestial markers to navigate by, and they lead to the same Star. Perhaps because of the long frame of spiritual seasonal orbital rotation (duality) this question could be asked as comparison based on contrast. But the blazing noonday Sun of Amma’s embodiment of Divine Mother radiates and illuminates the inseparatable unity of love and service as the utlimate devotional suchness of creature to Creator.
jagadambe29 Says:January 13th, 2008 at 4:22 am
You know, I dont really know. All I know is that I love Amma and wish I could do anything for her. I want to always be with Amma always and yes I do envy the swamis who always are there for her getting all of that physical love. I would always want to be Amma’s servant. I love my Amma so much! The Divine Mother of the universe.
Krishnalila Says:January 13th, 2008 at 8:19 am
both are examples of service and devotion, but my personal ideal attitude would be that of the gopis.
jeymaa Says:Arya, perhaps the gopis were slightly selfish, but can anyone truely say that they don’t have the slightest selfish love for our dear Amma? Even I can’t say that!!!!
January 13th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
Gopis and Hanuman, there should not be any comparison in their devotion. Though in different time frame the depth of their devotion is from the heart of hearts. Their method of approach is also different. So we can take their devotion as an example, without comparison. Do anyone of us can compare how much love and devotion we each got towards AMMA?
siva Says:January 13th, 2008 at 7:03 pm
for me dovotion is not an attitude of mind
Rana Pratap Singh Says:it is NO — MIND
January 13th, 2008 at 8:41 pm
“Prabhu Kar Pankaj Kapi Ke Seesa.Sumiri So Dasa Magan Gaurisa” (Sundarkand-Ramcharitmanas)
-A total surrender and complete humility for one’s Ishta-”Rama”.
“If “PADA-RAJA” is the only medicine for Sri Krishna, who bothers about
hell or heaven! Let us all be the sinner but please fill the bags with the
sand taken from under our feet and send it for our beloved Krishna and
cure him of the pain!”
-A Spontaneous and complete submission for one’s Beloved-”Krishna”
Where’s the difference? Once the Ganges or Yamuna hugs the ocean-
mahita Says:only ocean results-no Ganga, no Yamuna-only ocean-
January 14th, 2008 at 12:23 am
Ammas love and untiring devotional service to all of us and the world is the ideal devotional attitude. what could be better seen as purity than our own guru ammas supreme example. i am sure the gopis and hanuman were devoted but i do not really know them or see them. I see amma, never resting, never swerving in her devotion to us. jai ma
Gurudas Says:January 14th, 2008 at 9:33 am
Both Hanumanji and Gopis were earning for God. The ultimate feeling was Bhakthi. So both are true and pure in thier own way.
vijayane Says:January 14th, 2008 at 10:07 am
gopis love seems to have trascended from a material level. ie gender based - in a sense gopis were women and krishna a man. this path is not approchable to the all the embodied, even by the gopas at that time.
Renu Wadhwa Says:krishna didnot have rasa dance with the gopas.
servititude attitude like that of hanuman is universal (like motherly love of our amma), is open for all regardless of the gender.
January 14th, 2008 at 10:28 am
I think it is not a correct statement. It means we are in dweta bhav we differentiate between Gopis and Hanuman, all are same this is only told to us to show us the different ways of devotion, bhakti. From this it is learnt that we should also be alert and remember God everytime.
Renu Wadhwa Says:January 14th, 2008 at 2:32 pm
Vijane I do not agree with you. it means you are in dweta bhava, because the inner self is neither man nor woman. All are only one and one. Amma also hugging people never discriminate that the person is girl or a boy she says she hugs her own part.
juma Says:January 14th, 2008 at 8:19 pm
For me its the Gopis with Krishna… Selfless, loving and craving for the Lord
ila Says:January 14th, 2008 at 9:33 pm
Hanuman loved & served Rama, Gopis loved & played with Krishna. Both are exempalary for me. I wish to love Amma with all my heart, mind & soul like Radha & the Gopis, and that all my daily thoughts & actions be directed with consciousness of serving Amma like Hanuman, I will truly reach my goal but not without Amma’s blessings and grace.
Jaidev.K Says:January 15th, 2008 at 12:50 am
When we compare Hanuman and the gopis, we are led to understand that the Lord accepts various and all forms of devotion, provided the devotees are firm in their faith and develop love in their hearts.
ammakuttan Says:Hanuman’s steadfast faith and devotion to Lord Rama is an ideal example for sadhaks. They show that even individuals, striving with deep faith and devotion, can achieve the grace and love of the Lord.
The gopis served the Lord’s purpose in showing the world that devotion and faith in a group is also very beneficial for spiritual progress. Besides this, it was also a great example of how the Lord Herself lifts Her devotees along the spiritual path.
Both gopis and Hanuman achieved union with Brahmam through different paths and they are examples of ideal devotion, love and steadfast faith in the Lord.
January 15th, 2008 at 1:33 am
Live for master…. Follow their words through deeds…. each and every second…. Both stories narrates us same meaning. Both Gopis as well as Hanumanjis attitude towards Krishna and Rama was same.
savitri Says:January 15th, 2008 at 6:40 pm
Absolute Both they complement one another , Karma Bhakti Jnana
harimam Says:all fulfill one another
January 16th, 2008 at 12:07 pm
Both Gopis and Hanuman are supreme examples of devotion although of different ways. Hanuman considers himself as a servant of Lord Rama while Gopis consider Lord Krishna as their Lover. Both experienced supreme bliss in the company of the Lord. So we cannot say that one is better than the other. Each individual following the path of devotion will be comfortable with one type of devotion or a combination of them.
chandran Says:January 17th, 2008 at 10:08 am
Both are ideal. But I doubt whether one can measure the depth of devotion. Only realized souls like Amma can do that, I presume. Amma Sharanam.
sucetas Says:April 26th, 2008 at 4:11 am
the only difference between the Gopis and Hanuman are the ways their devotion expressed itself. the crucial thing was how one-pointed their focus was on their Beloved. it was the underlying motivation that is the important thing. your way may be different. but as long as it’s sincere, it’s just as great. think of the squirrel Rama praised when building the bridge to Lanka.
being genuinely committed to realizing God or your true nature, however you want to phrase it and by whatever means, is the only real act of devotion. anything else is just preparation or procrastination. after all, Amma wants nothing from us but this, so do whatever it takes. Let us serve Amma by fulfilling this one single thing.